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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Guyer convened the meeting at 8:30 a.m.
Chairman Guyer announced that Vice Chair Schukart has been granted a
leave of absence due to the construction schedule at the College of the
Desert (COD). Councilman Spiegel noted that Vice Chair Schukart is in
charge of the Athletic Master Plan Program at COD.
Chairman Guyer announced that there are two new members to the Parks
and Recreation Commission: Ms. Debbie Hall and Ms. Kim Housken.
The Commission and Staff introduced themselves to the new
Commissioners.
Ms. Housken stated that she grew up and lives in Palm Desert. She
mentioned that she has a family with young kids. Her husband is an
educator, and she also has her teaching credentials, but is on hold to drive
kids everywhere.
Ms. Hall commented that she owns her own businesses in Palm Desert.
She buys and rehabs houses. Her other business is selling luxury items
such as custom handbags for women, jewelry, and things of that nature.
She has lived in Palm Desert full time for approximately six years.
II. ROLL CALL
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Chairman Randy Guyer Commissioner Julie Munson
Commissioner Phill Babcock at 8:34 Vice Chair Terry Schukart
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Staff Present:
Robert Spiegel, Councilmember
Janis Steele, Parks & Recreation Services Manager
Jay Niemczak, Parks Facilities Manager
Monica Loredo, Administrative Secretary
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. MINUTES OF THE MEETING FROM JANUARY 23, 2008
Commissioner Dash had a question not pertaining to the approval of the
minutes. He missed the January 23 meeting, and inquired about Mr.
Croy's comment on page 8 of the minutes regarding the population
growing in Thousand Palms and county area. He asked if it would affect
Palm Desert. Chairman Guyer replied yes and no. He explained that the
topic was in relation to Councilman Spiegel's discussion regarding what
the City Council had decided during their retreat. One of the items that
they decided was to not look at a community center out by the freeway,
but preferably having it located at the Civic Center Park. Chairman Guyer
stated that Councilman Spiegel made that comment because there is not
enough population in the north side yet. The population would not affect
what we are doing now, but it might in the future.
Councilman Spiegel interjected that there is no reason to plan a park in
that area if there is nobody out there. Currently there are two pocket
parks, one of which is a dog park and the other has a children's
playground. There are no homes in that area only infrastructure. Until the
housing turns around, the north side is in good shape.
Minutes of the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of January 23,
2008, were approved as submitted. Motion moved/seconded by
Dawson/Barnard and carried by a 7-0 vote with Vice Chair Schukart
and Commissioner Munson ABSENT. (Munson & Schukart on LOA)
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mr. Rob Ballew, The Family YMCA of the Desert, commented that he had
the pleasure of attending the Air Force Band concert in the Civic Center
Park. It was a fabulous day, and appreciates the City for having the
concert. He reminded the Commission that the YMCA is having free swim
lessons during spring break for students in Junior High and High School
within the Desert Sands Unified School District. Also during the spring
break, they are offering cooking camp, high school musical camp, survival
camp, explorer's camp, and skate board camp.
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Ms. Barb Adair, Coachella Valley Recreation and Park District (CVRPD),
thanked the City of Palm Desert, Ms. Steele, and Mr. Niemczak for their
help with the Sports Festival. CVRPD has a recap meeting scheduled for
Monday, February 25. The festival was well attended this year and the
dinner was held at Desert Willow. Councilman Spiegel thanked CVRPD
for having the dinner at Desert Willow.
V. PRESENTATIONS
A. VIRTUAL TOUR OF THE GRANDVIEW COMMUNITY CENTER
Ms. Steele commented that Commissioner Dash requested to view the
virtual tour of the center where she came from, especially after touring the
community centers in the San Diego area.
Councilman Spiegel explained to the newly appointed Commissioners, the
community center is going to be important for the next couple of years.
The Commission took a tour of a facility in Coronado and Encinitas. He
suggested that Mr. Niemczak take the finro new members on the same tour
so they could be up to speed on what the Commission is trying to do.
Ms. Steele stated that she has extra notebooks that she can give to the
finro new members, as well as the survey.
Ms. Steele followed with the virtual tour presentation of the Grandview
Community Center. She stated that the community center is 60,000
square feet that includes an indoor swimming pool, gymnasium, two
courts, a 4,000 square foot weight and cardiovascular room, a 1,800
square foot dance roam, and a rock wall. The building was built with two
wings. One wing had the recreational area, and the other end had the
rooms for meeting space, banquets, and classes that had a separate
entrance. She stated the facility has office space, child care drop-in
babysitting, and a police substation. The population in the community was
26,000 with 39% African-American, 3-4°!o Hispanic, and the remainder
Caucasian.
Ms. Steele continued with the Power Point presentation.
Commissioner Dawson asked if the pool was indoors. Ms. Steele replied
yes.
Commissioner Housken asked how many square feet was the building
and how many acres was the park. Ms. Steele responded that the building
was 60,000 square feet, and the park was approximately 60 acres. The
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park also had an outdoor swimming pool, playground, skate park, a couple
of ball fields, and pavilions.
Commissioner Dawson asked what the amount of use per day was. Ms.
Steele responded that on a busy day over 1,000. They had some revenue
projections that were surpassed in the first year. She noted that the cost
for membership was $240 a year for an individual, and $350 a year for
families.
The Commission asked what the hours of the facility were. Ms. Steele
replied that it was open from 5:30 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Monday through
Friday; Saturday 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m.; and Sunday 10:00 a.m. to 10:00
p.m.
It was asked if swim lessons were a la carte. Ms. Steele answered yes.
Commissioner Housken inquired if the banquet room was rented out
consistently. Ms. Steele responded that it was, and it was one of the
biggest revenue areas.
Councilman Spiegel commented that the banquet room in Coronado is
rented out two years in advance. Chairman Guyer also commented that it
is located in a prime location.
Chairman Guyer asked Ms. Steele how long it took to build the facility.
She responded that it was completed within a year. It was started in the
month of January and completed in February of the following year.
Councilman Spiegel asked how many basketball courts were available.
Ms. Steele replied that there were two. It was a full size court, which could
also be set up for finro volley ball courts.
A commissioner asked how big the lap pool was. Ms. Steele responded
that the capacity was 100. They did not have competition swimming
because there was a community college near by that fulfilled that need.
Councilman Spiegel inquired if there was a kitchen in the banquet room.
Ms. Steele responded that they had a catering kitchen. She mentioned
that they interviewed 15 different caterers, and their response was that
they need a lot of counter space, but could get by without a full size
kitchen.
Commissioner Babcock asked how big the facility was, and how was it
funded. Ms. Steele answered that it was 60,000 square feet, and funded
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by a storm sewer and park tax that could be used for storm drains,
community centers, and/or parks. She noted that it did have to go to a
vote of the citizens, which passed.
Commissioner Hall asked how much it cost to build. Ms. Steele replied
that with the architect and construction team, it was approximately $11
million in the year 2002 with a community of 26,000.
Commissioner Barnard inquired about the parking. Ms. Steele stated that
they had approximately 350 parking spaces. Parking might have been a
little challenging during a busy day in the summer, but for the most part
there was enough parking.
Commissioner Dash asked if the walking track interfered with traffic going
in and out of the offices or rooms. Ms. Steele replied no. She explained
that the only entrance to the track was through the cardio exercise area.
Commissioner Babcock asked if they are planning on building something
like the community center in Grandview. Ms. Steele responded that she is
only showing the tour as a sample. She noted that the only thing she does
not recommend is a rock wall.
Ms. Steele apologized that the complete virtual tour did not show. She
stated that she would make copies for everyone.
Chairman Guyer asked if the employees were staff or contracted. Ms.
Steele explained that they had both: ten full-time staff and the part-time
staff were contracted.
Commissioner Dash asked if the two pools were disconnected. Ms. Steele
responded that they were two separate pools. The lap was kept at
approximately 82 degrees in the winter, and in the summer it was kept at
80 degrees. Due to the air handling system, the pools could only be varied
by two to three degrees. The slide was attached to the zero-depth pool
with the fap pool being totally separate. She noted that the main reason
that they are separate is due to the temperature of each pool.
Chairman Guyer stated that the next step is to define the items that they
would like to see in the community center and define the footprint of what
it is going to take to accomplish that in the Civic Center Park. He
mentioned that the sub-committee will be meeting soon, and go over the
list they discussed in a past Commission meeting.
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Ms. Steele indicated that one of the instructions from Council is to work on
a Request for Qualifications (RFQ). Chairman Guyer requested that Ms.
Steele explain the RFQ process.
Ms. Steele communicated that a Request for Qualifications is Staff will
send out the scope of services. Staff will look for someone that would
come in and work with the City (Owner). They will take Staff through a
process to identify exactly what the City wants, for example, how to lay it
out, identify programming needs, a location, make sure it fits, and a cost.
They will also team up with the people that are going to build the facility.
She noted that once she puts something together she would share it with
the Commission.
Chairman Guyer asked if that had to be done by May. Ms. Steele
responded that if it is not done by May, Staff needs to let the Council know
why.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. APPOINTMENT OF CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR FOR 2008
Nominations and appointment of Chair and Vice Chair for 2008.
The Commission nominated Commissioner Dawson and Commissioner
Dash for the Chair position.
By a majority vote, Commissioner Dawson was appointed to the 2008
Chair position.
The Commission nominated Commissioner Barnard and Commissioner
Dash for the Vice Chair position.
By a majority vote, Commissioner Barnard was appointed to the 2008
Vice Chair position.
Chairman Guyer moved to Item C under New Business of the agenda.
B. UNIVERSITY PARKS PROGRESS AND NAMING
Discussion and recommendations for the naming of the four
University Parks.
Ms. Steele updated the Commission on the progress of the University
Parks. She stated that the Commission needs to start thinking about
naming the parks. It will get confusing when all four parks are open, and
they are not named. They are currently referred to University Parks.
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Councilman Spiegel interjected that the developers build the parks as part
of the development agreement. Once the parks are developed, the City
maintains and owns them. He mentioned that the infrastructure is all there
and that you could drive in and take a look at the parks. He stated that it is
unfortunate that there is nobody there, and they are not going to be used
as much. He suggested to the Commission to drive by before the ne�
meeting, and asked if it is essential to recommend a name to the City
Council at this point. Ms. Steele responded that she only wanted the
Commission to start thinking about it.
Ms. Steele commented that she has provided a map of the University
Parks. She felt it would be a good idea to pass it out again since there are
two new members. She noted that two parks will be delayed until the
developer starts to build homes in that area per the Commission's
recommendation at a past meeting.
Chairman Guyer asked if the development is going to continue being
called University Park. Councilman Spiegel responded that he did not
know. Chairman Guyer commented that it would be a little difficult tying in
name with the development. Councilman Spiegel responded that he does
not feel it is essential.
Commissioner Dawson asked if he understood correctly that the builder
recommended that the Commission discuss university type naming in
order to keep the connection with the universities. Ms. Steele replied yes.
Commissioner Dawson wondered if it would be a good idea to talk to the
universities, and bounce some ideas with them regarding names. He
commented that he came up with some ideas and circulated his list to the
Commission.
Councilman Spiegel suggested to Ms. Steele to invite Mr. Fred Jandt to
the next Commission meeting. He runs the Cal State San Bernardino
Palm Desert Campus.
Commissioner Dash commented that the City Council had a major role in
the development of the entire area, which is quite unique. He suggested
naming the parks after the Council that were members at the time of the
development. Councilman Spiegel interjected that he does not think any of
them want their names on any park, but thanked Commissioner Dash for
the suggestion.
Chairman Guyer also commented that in the past, it had been decided
that you have to be dead before something is named after you.
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Councilman Spiegel stated that the only exception was the Jean Benson
Center.
Commissioner Housken asked if the plantings and trees have already
been determined for the park. Ms. Steele replied yes.
Commissioner Housken stated that the reason she had asked was
because she had brainstorm some ideas. She was thinking the names of
different plants or trees. She was also thinking of sensory park names
(smells) such as "Acacia Park" and "Creosote Park" (spelling?). She
mentioned "Bark Park" for the dog park. Her other idea was desert
animals, "Roadrunner Park" and "Coyote Park" for the dog park. Her third
idea was the views, such as "Mountain View Park" and "Dunes Park." She
admitted that it was hard to come up with ideas that had to do with the
university besides freshman, sophomore, junior, and senior.
Commissioner Babcock asked if there was a schematic drawing of the
parks. Ms. Steele responded that she had brought them to the
Commission several times, but that she could bring it back.
Commissioner Hall inquired if there is any reason why they could not have
names such as "University Dog Park" and "University Neighborhood Park."
Chairman Guyer responded that there is no reason not to. He noted that is
why he had a concern if the area becomes segregated from the university
it would then not make any sense to people since Cook Street is a big
street. He noted that they are open to any names.
Councilman Spiegel briefly communicated how the names came about for
other City parks.
Chairman Guyer listed the five different themes they discussed: university,
names of the streets, desert plants and vegetation, desert animals, and
the views. He asked the Commission to take those themes, and come up
with names for the next meeting.
C. HORSESHOES AT HOVLEY SOCCER PARK
Discussion and recommendation to convert the shuffle board area
to additional horseshoe pits at Hovley Soccer Park.
Ms. Steele stated that last year Staff brought forward to the Commission
information regarding the possibility of changing the shuffle board courts
at Hovley Soccer Park into horseshoe pits. There is a large contingent of
people that play horseshoes, and Staff has not seen anyone using the
shuffle boards. She noted that the citizens making the request are present
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today. She also noted that Staff has provided an estimate on the cost for
making the change.
Mr. Ed Shell, represents the snowbirds of the horseshoes group,
commented that they have been playing horseshoes at Hovley Soccer
Park for the past few years. He stated the most of them are in their 70's
and 80's in age, and it is easier for them to throw horseshoes around than
playing golf or tennis. He commented that their group is growing each
year. He mentioned that if it is a cost factor, he suggested changing one
shuffle board, and eliminate the one that runs along the sidewalk. He
voiced that the group appreciates the maintenance that City Staff has
given to the horseshoe pits. Mr. Shell mentioned that the new sprinkler
head helps wet down the sand. He explained that if the sand is not wet,
the sand turns to powder and they lose their horseshoes.
Commissioner Housken disclosed that her husband approached Mr. Jeff
Winklepleck regarding putting in horseshoe pits. She asked if they are
regulation size horseshoe pits, and asked if they are three feet short. Mr.
Shell responded that from peg to peg it is 36 feet. According the rule book
if you are 65 years and older, you can play at 30 feet. If you are under 65,
you should play at 40 feet. He stated that 36 feet works fine for his group.
Commissioner Housken commented that if Staff were to proceed, she
suggested installing the future horseshoe pits at the regulation size. Mr.
Shell stated that 40 feet would be too hard for them.
Mr. Niemczak suggested building one regulation size, if they were to
change all three.
Commissioner Housken observed that with the way they are sited, they
would be three and then three again, she wondered about safety and if
there should be something separating the finro courts. She noticed where
the benches are located. She had a vision that if someone on the court
from behind will throw it a little long it would go over, and become a safety
issue.
Commissioner Housken asked the group if they would be interested in
having clay in the pit if could be kept moist. Mr. Shell responded they
played once where there was clay, and they used to go home with red all
over their clothes. He stated that the sand is fine as long as it is moist.
Councilman Spiegel asked if there is no usage of the shuffle boards. Mr.
Shell and Staff responded that they never see anyone using them.
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Chairman Guyer noted that he thought the Commission was considering
building pits on the south end. Ms. Steele replied that they were, but there
was supposed to be a community garden at Falcon Crest. They are going
to use some of the area for a community garden. More information will
come back to the Commission on a separate report, which recently came
up.
Commissioner Dawson moved to proceed with the installation of the
three horseshoe pits with one being regulation size, and move them
as far south as possible. Commissioner Hall seconded the motion
and carried by a 7-0 vote with Commissioners Munson and Schukart
ABSENT. (Munson and Schukart on LOA)
Chairman Guyer returned to ltem 8 of New Business of the agenda.
VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
VIII. REPORTS AND UPDATES
A. NEW PLAYGROUND AT THE COMMUNITY PARK
Ms. Niemczak reported that the new playground at Community Park on
Magnesia Falls is formally out to bid. February 29, 2008, is the last day to
submit bids. City Staff is looking at the end of May 2008 to complete the
project.
Ms. Steele also reported that the school is due to open by September
2008. She explained that Staff had held off the project based on the
construction surrounding the park, and due to challenges getting water to
the park. She highlighted that the park is going to be completely
accessible due to the way the land is structured. So anyone with a
disability will be able to utilize the park. She added that there will be picnic
areas on the side by the school with additional trees.
Commissioner Dawson asked if there would be a grand opening in the fall
in connection with the school and the naming of the park. Ms. Steele
responded City Staff could work something out.
Ms. Steele stated that the park has many names, and Commissioner
Dawson has in the past brought up the idea of naming the park so that
there is no confusion.
Commissioner Babcock inquired if people will continue to be able to have
lunch at the park, and the park will not be fenced. Ms. Steele responded
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that is the reason they are installing picnic tables and it will be open all
day.
Chairman Guyer asked if there is access from the park directly into the
fields. Ms. Steele replied yes.
Mr. Niemczak interjected that there is a gate by the ball fields and two
gates by the semi-circle fence area.
Chairman Guyer asked if the City still owns the Rutledge strip. Ms. Steele
replied that they do.
Chairman Guyer inquired how the fields are accessible from the park,
Rutfedge, or Magnesia Falls. Ms. Steele responded that there is access at
the semi-circle gate, but that Staff needs to check on the gate on Rutledge
Strip.
Mr. Niemczak voiced that there is no access off Rutledge Strip, and that
they would need to install a gate. Chairman Guyer stated that a gate is
needed there. Ms. Steele responded that she will make a note of it.
Commissioner Dawson asked again about the Community Park name.
Councilman Spiegel suggested adding it to the next agenda.
Commissioner Barnard agreed that the park needs a name.
B. WINDSTORM DAMAGE
Mr. Niemczak reported that on February 2, there was another wind storm
that took down some trees at the Civic Center Park and Ironwood Park. It
was cleaned up the following day so there was no danger or safety
hazard.
Chairman Guyer commented that as trees mature it will become a
problem. Mr. Niemczak responded they will. He noted that the Pubfic
Works Staff recently inventoried all the trees in the City. They have also
identified trees that may be a safety hazard, and which trees should be a
priority in removing and replacing.
Ms. Steele stated that they have not received that report, but when they
do they will share it with the Commission.
Commissioner Babcock asked if it was possible to trim the trees before
the winter time. Mr. Niemczak responded that they trim the City trees on a
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cycle with the exception of Mesquite trees. They trim the ends of the
mesquite trees so they are not heavy.
C. NEW PICNIC TABLE AT HOMME/ADAMS PARK
Ms. Steele stated that recently there has been a great amount of
vandalism in all the parks. They recently replaced a table at
Homme/Adams Park that was vandalized. A picture of the table is
included in the agenda packet. She noted that there has been a lot of
graffiti, and skate boarders are being very bold.
Commissioner Babcock commented that he would like the police to patrol
the parks, and asked Staff if they could remind them of it. Ms. Steele
replied that they do contact them. She asked the Commission if they see
something to please let her know because the police are good at
responding.
D. NATIONAL RECREATION & PARK ASSOCIATION
Ms. Steele reported that she provided the schedule of the National
Recreation and Park Association Aquatic Conference in the agenda
packet. She mentioned that Staff has been working hard with the Local
Host Committee to put on a really nice conference. She noted that the
educational sessions are very good. Staff's main focus of being part of the
committee is to bring people into Palm Desert and not just Palm Springs.
There is a golf outing in Desert Willow, and a social event at The Living
Desert. They will also be providing dining guides and other guides from
the Visitor Center to go in the conference attendee packets. Ms. Steele
stated to let her know if anyone is interested in any of the sessions or
attending the trade show. The conference is March 24-30, 2008.
Councilman Spiegel stated that if there is any cost for tickets, the City will
pick up the cost.
E. PARK INSPECTION CHECKLIST
Ms. Steele requested that the Commission disregard the parks inspection
list in the packet. She circulated a revised copy, and explained the process
for the new members of the Commission.
Chairman Guyer noted to the Commission that if they see something that
might be broken or if something should be there and it is not, to please
indicate it on the sheets.
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Commissioner Babcock asked if there has been continued vandalism at
Joe Mann Park. Mr. Niemczak responded that there have been no
complaints lately. He informed the Commission that he recently received a
call from the gentleman that came to a Commission meeting to thank Staff
for taking care of the park. After the complaint Staff installed more lighting
around the playground, cut back some of the shrubs down, and the shade
structure was raised.
Commissioner Babcock commented that when he last visited Joe Mann
Park, it was in really good shape. Mr. Niemczak indicated the new
landscape contractor is doing a better job and is working out fairly well.
Councilman Spiegel mentioned that at the last City Council meeting, a
gentleman that lives in Falcon Crest next to the Soccer Park addressed
the Council. The gentleman complained that they are having vandalism.
There are kids jumping over the wall throwing potatoes through windows,
and he requested that lights stay on all night.
Chairman Guyer asked Councilman Spiegel if the gentleman wanted the
field lights on. He replied not all lights. Chairman Guyer interjected that the
perimeter lights are lit.
Ms. Steele stated that Staff could take a look at the lighting to see if there
is anything that could be done.
Councilman Spiegel suggested taking a look at the costs for video
cameras.
Chairman Guyer asked when park patrol is at the Soccer Park. CVRPD
answered between 10:00 and 11:00 p.m.
Mr. Niemczak mentioned that they may be able to install down lights that
are approximately 20 feet high onto the fields. They could be installed onto
the field light poles. Ms. Steeled added that she will also talk to Lt. Frank
Taylor. She believes the Police Department has some portable cameras
that they could use.
IX. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
Commissioner Dash thanked Chairman Guyer for being Chairman, and
keeping the group focused. The Commission agreed and seconded that
motion.
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Commissioner Dash asked if there is such a thing as making a formal
presentation or something from the group. Ms. Steele replied that she
would check.
Chairman Guyer voiced that it was never work, it was always fun and
thanked the Commission.
Chairman Guyer inquired if the shade cloth for the skate park will be in
before summer. Ms. Steele replied yes, and that it should be here by April.
Mr. Niemczak added that they are also installing shade structures at the
tennis courts, which should be done in a month.
Commissioner Housken mentioned that someone asked her if she knew
the distance of the perimeter at the Soccer Park. She also wanted to know
the distance in kilometers. Mr. Niemczak responded that he will talk to the
sign guy about adding an aerial photo and the distance for Hovley Soccer
Park and at Freedom Park.
Ms. Steele added that she will bring that information to the next meeting.
Chairman Guyer asked Ms. Steele if Mr. Niemczak will be attending the
CPRS Conference Award Banquet. She replied yes. He mentioned to the
new Commissioners that the City is receiving an award for Freedom Park,
and that they are welcome to attend the banquet in Long Beach on Friday,
February 29. Please contact Ms. Steele or Ms. Loredo if they would like to
attend.
X. ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion by Commissioner Babcock, seconded by Commissioner
Dawson, the meeting was adjourned at 10:00 a.m.
Monica Loredo, Recording Secretary
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