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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Dawson convened the meeting at 8:33 a.m.
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II. ROLL CALL '4.'�,,
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Chairman Gerald Dawson `�
Vice Chair Michael Barnard �
Commissioner Babcock °;
Commissioner Roger Dash arrived at 8:35 a.m. �
Commissioner Randy Guyer arrived at 8:37 a.m. A �
Commissioner Deborah Hall H W -�
Commissioner Kim Housken arrived at 8:35 a.m. " �
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Commissioner Julie Munson .. ° a , �
Commissioner Terry Schukart o � �
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Staff Present: � o� �
Bob Spiegel, Mayor Pro Tem '� w
Janis Steele, Parks & Recreation Services Manager H � � p �; �
Jay Niemczak, Parks Facilities Manager U + Q � °
Juan Hernandez, Parks Inspector � �� � t� ,. � W �
Ryan Stendell, Senior Management Analyst � � �� ,'�� „ „ � � w.�
Monica Loredo, Administrative Secretary °-�' � m �' �' �` �'
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Guests:
Craig DeWitt, Coachella Valley Recreation & Park District
Stan Ford, Coachella Valley Recreation & Park District
Laura McGalliard, Coachella Valley Recreation & Park District
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES
A. MINUTES OF THE MEETING FROM AUGUST 19, 2008
Minutes of the meeting from August 19, 2008, were approved as
submitted. Motion moved/seconded by Schukart/Barnard, and
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carried by a 6-0 vote with Commissioners Dash, Guyer, and Housken
ABSENT (arrived after motion).
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mr. Stan Ford distributed the Coachella Valley Recreation and Park
District's (CVRPD) fall catalog. He announced that the CVRPD will be
hosting the Disney Institute on September 22-23, 2008, at the Indian Wells
Conference Center. Mr. Ford stated that after reading the minutes from
the last meeting regarding the Gus Macker, he was concerned with the
bad communication. He explained that their board had to make a tough
decision, and noted that they could come back with an update since it is
not an agenda item. Mr. Ford stated that he could have dialogue with the
City so that there are no misunderstandings or hard feelings.
Chairman Dawson told Mr. Ford that it would be a good idea for them to
update the Commission periodically.
Ms. Steele announced that at the last meeting, the Commission asked
Staff to come back with the 2007 Legend Fields nominees list. She
mentioned that she was very sick before she left on vacation, and the item
was left out of the agenda while she was out. She apologized to the
Commission. Ms. Steele noted that the list had Billie Jean King, Rosie
Casals, Tom Flores, and Steve Garvey. She stated that the Commission
could add it to the agenda or Staff could bring back later.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel commented that.after talking to a couple of people
on the Council, they would prefer to have people in baseball until they run
out of names since the columns are located at the ball fields.
Ms. Steele indicated that the only baseball player left would be Steve
Garvey.
Commissioner Hall asked if he is local.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel suggested that Staff contact last year's recipient,
and find out if he knows anybody.
Ms. Steele asked if Staff could bring this item to the next meeting. She
asked the Commission to let her know if they think of anyone else.
Vice Chair Barnard mentioned Don Baylor, and believes he lives in La
Quinta.
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Ms. Steele commented that he was on the list a couple of years ago.
Chairman Dawson stated that they will finalize a decision at the next
meeting, and if anyone has additional names to please give them to Ms.
Steele as soon as possible.
V. PRESENTATIONS - None
VI. NEW BUSINESS - None
VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS
A. PETANQUE COURTS AND OTHER AMENITIES AT HOVLEY
SOCCER PARK
Discussion and recommendation to build petanque courts and other
amenities at Hovley Soccer Park.
Mr. Niemczak reported that this item has been back to the Commission
several times. He reported that on May 6, the Commission requested for
Staff to get a cost estimate to design/build petanque courts, pickleball
courts, community gardens, and horseshoe pits. Staff received an
approximate cost from Larios Builders, Inc. Mr. Niemczak noted that it
does not include engineering costs. The petanque courts, pickleball
courts, and horseshoe pits would cost approximately $75,000. In addition,
the community gardens would cost an additional $59,000, which would be
paid by the Community Services Department. The overall cost for the
entire project will be $120,000.
Commissioner Housken inquired if a pickleball is fenced in. Mr. Niemczak
answered yes.
Commissioner Housken asked if the same soil is going to be used for
petanque. Mr. Niemczak replied that decomposed granite (DG) is used; it
is not cement or grass.
Commissioner Housken asked if petanque needs to be watered down. Mr.
Niemczak answered that a hose bib will be available for the players.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel asked why Staff is not going out to bid. Ms. Steele
responded that Staff has to go out to bid. Staff only wanted to bring an
approximate cost back to the Commission.
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Commissioner Guyer inquired if Staff still has the contact information for
the petanque court representatives, and has Staff talked to them about the
design. Ms. Steele replied that she does have the contact information.
Mr. Niemczak interjected that Staff initially did talk to them about the
location and size.
Commissioner Hall inquired if Staff is requesting to approve the amount or
to go out to bid. Ms. Steele responded that Staff is requesting the
Commission's recommendation to go out to bid, and take it to the City
Council for their approval to request bids as well.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel asked if there is plenty of room at the Soccer
Park. Ms. Steele replied yes. She noted that the Community Services
Department would like to get started on the community gardens. If
possible, Staff is going to try to get it on the next City Council agenda if the
Commission is in favor.
Commissioner Hall asked if these amenities would finish up the area since
it was done in pieces. Mr. Niemczak responded that the only section left
will be the west section of the parking lot. He noted that the Community
Services Department mentioned that they may have enough funds to add
a picnic area.
Commissioner Guyer asked if part of the section is a retention basin or is
the soccer field considered a retention basin. Mr. Niemczak answered that
the soccer field is a retention basin. He indicated that there is a little wash
area along the parking lot, which they will be able to build an ADA
accessible pathway.
Vice Chair Barnard inquired if bocce ball could be played on the same
courts. Mr. Niemczak responded that if bocce ball requires turf, no.
Vice Chair Barnard noted that he does not remember how popular it was,
but that ten petanque courts seems like a lot. Mr. Niemczak replied that he
would check on it.
Commissioner Hall moved to recommend to the City Council to go
out to bid for the installation of petanque courts and other amenities
at the Hovley Soccer Park. Commissioner Schukart seconded the
motion, and carried by a 9-0 vote.
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VIII. REPORTS AND UPDATES
A. ACCESSIBILITY UPGRADES FOR PARK PLAYGROUNDS
Ms. Steele reported that in October 2005, the Architectural and
Transportation Barriers Compliance Board developed some accessibility
guidelines for newly constructed and altered play areas. The guidelines
are a supplement to the Americans with Disabilities Act Accessibility
Guidelines. She noted that most of the Parks Staff attended the Parks
Inspection Certification workshop. Ms. Steele mentioned that after
attending the workshop, she felt it was important to start budgeting into the
Capital Improvement Projects for some of the things they might have to
change or do to the City's playgrounds to meet the new accessibility
guidelines. She stated that Mr. Niemczak and Mr. Torres have gone out
and completed some initial inspections in the playgrounds. Staff has made
some recommendations on what they thought they should do priority wise.
She noted that some of the recommendations do not have to be done at
this time, but they are being proactive. Ms. Steele mentioned that the
Public Works and Building & Safety Departments are also evaluating City
buildings and sidewalks. She mentioned that Mr. Juan Hernandez, Parks
Inspector, is present to discuss their findings and recommendations.
Mr. Hernandez reported that at Hovley Soccer Park they will be installing
two additional accessibility features to the 5 to 12-year old playground.
The features include a balance board and power pedaler. If the two
components are added, an accessible rubber mat needs to be installed or
the sand needs to be replaced with ADA approved wood chips. The
surFace needs to be changed so that the two features are accessible.
At Joe Mann Park playground, the spacing was tight since swings have a
six foot non-overlapping use beyond the posts. In addition, spring toys
have their own non-overlapping use zone. Therefore, the only way to
comply with the request is to have free standing play equipment that
requires the user to have their feet on the ground. Staff's recommendation
is to add a music maker rated for ages 2 to 12, and cat's den rated for
ages 2 to 5 (pictures provided in agenda packet). .
Chairman Dawson asked if the music maker is a maintenance problem.
Mr. Hernandez responded that the equipment is made very hardy. The
equipment will have a warranty as does any other piece of equipment.
Mr. Hernandez continued with the Civic Center Park. As with the Hovley
Soccer Park at the 5 to 12-year old playground, two ground accessible
features are needed. Staff's recommendation is a bouncy bounce and
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power pedaler. For the 2 to 5-year old playground, it was not required
since there are spring toys. He mentioned that while inspecting the
playground, Staff found concerns that they need to address. In the small
playground, there is a small elephant that has to be removed and there is
no other place to install it. The problem is the non-overlapping use zone,
and the elephant is too close to the swing structure. In addition, the trunk
of the elephant poses a head entrapment hazard. Mr. Hernandez
mentioned that the monkey bars need to be moved a few inches to be in
compliance. He noted that all the benches around the playground have a
head entrapment hazard. Staff will have someone come in to cut the arm
rests off, which are not bolted on. There is currently a broken see-saw
near the elephant, and Staff's recommendation is to remove it. Staff has
recommended replacing both items with a tot town.
Chairman Dawson asked what type of material is the cat's den. Mr.
Hernandez responded that it is recycled plastic.
Commissioner Babcock inquired how strong the plastic is. Mr. Hernandez
replied that the plastic is very hard and cannot be bent.
Chairman Dawson commended Mr. Hernandez for his knowledge and
recommendations.
Mr. Niemczak mentioned that the requirements change yearly.
Mr. Hernandez added that they all have to be re-certified every three
years.
Commissioner Hall asked how popular the musical toys are. Mr.
Hernandez responded that he did not know, and did not have any
statistics. He mentioned that he can call the company, and ask them how
well they sell.
Commissioner Hall wondered if there are other parks where they have
been installed, and if there is a way to find out if it gets a lot of use.
Commissioner Guyer asked what the surface requirement is for
accessibility to different types of playground equipment. Mr. Hernandez
responded that most of the City's playgrounds meet the accessibility
requirements because they have the ADA approved wood chips. The only
park that would need matting is the soccer park. The only way around it
would be by taking out the sand, and adding the ADA approved wood
chips. He stated that you have to be able to push a wheelchair through a
playground even if they can or cannot access the playground.
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Ms. Steele added that a rubber surface is very expensive and does not do
well in the desert. Staff has tried to stay clear of it.
Commissioner Guyer commented that requirements could be changed
from wood chips to rubberized matting. Mr. Hernandez responded that
wood chips are specifically engineered to hold up to wheelchairs.
Ms. Steele commented that the Parks Inspectors have all done a great job
with the attached report and recommendations. Mr. Hernandez interjected
that he will not take sole credit, and that it was all a team effort.
Ms. Steele stated that she added the accessibility guide to the agenda
packet as an informational item and reference guide.
Commissioner Housken referred to a news article in the newspaper that
displays a special swing that a quadriplegic child can use. She asked if
this type of swing can be used. Mr. Hernandez responded that if they were
to add a swing of that nature, they would have to add a whole special area
for it. He explained that due to the size of the swing, kids tend to run right
in front of them and cause head injuries. For that reason, it would need to
be installed away from the playground where kids are not running near it.
B. ANNUAL OVERSEEDING SCHEDULE
Mr. Niemczak reported that the overseeding schedule is in the agenda
packet as an informational item. Overseeding will begin around
September 18.
Ms. Steele added that some parks are kept open during overseeding. Staff
will be putting out a press release to inform people.
Chairman Dawson asked if Staff has tried putting up signs. Mr. Niemczak
replied that they need to because Staff gets a lot of calls, especially from
people using the Civic Center Park.
Commissioner Schukart inquired if the schedule is the same as previous
years' time wise. Mr. Niemczak responded no due to Palm Desert High
School and their need to utilize fields in City parks; the schedule has been
adjusted a little.
C. COMMUNITY CENTER UPDATE
Ms. Steele requested that this item be discussed last because it will take
longer. Chairman Dawson moved on to the next item.
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Ms. Steele reported that a meeting is scheduled with gkkworks for an
update on progress made to date. The gkkworks contract went to the City
Council last week for ratification. At the City Council meeting, one of the
Councilmember's requested that the consultant schedule meetings with
each individual Councilmember to get their feedback. She noted that a
disc was provided to all Commissioners with information received from
Facility Design School. She briefly mentioned information that is on the
disc. She noted that she will also provide the City Council with a copy of
the disc.
Ms. Steele apologized again because she was not feeling well before she
left on vacation. She commented that she put a slide show together of the
facilities that were included in the tour. She apologized that the pictures
were not very organized. Before displaying the slides, she mentioned that
she was trying to get a copy of the contract for operational services from
Platte County Parks and Recreation District. Platte County was the only
facility that had a contract with another agency to run their facility. She
mentioned that she received a copy of the contract the day before she left
on vacation. After reviewing the contract, she felt it was a very good
contract. The contract includes a lot of pre-construction material. Platte
County approached the YMCA since they operated 13 successful centers
in the Kansas City metro area, and have the experience of running
centers. Platte County and the YMCA began discussions two or three
years before construction started. The Director of Platte County told her
that it is very important to have trust between the two agencies to be
successful in serving their citizens. The two agencies would communicate
weekly. Ms. Steele stated that the contract was set up with a goal to
recover all costs of the facility. The contract was set up with a three-year
period allowing the YMCA to get to the full cost recovery, not including the
opening year if they opened for a partial year. In year one, Platte County
planned on subsidizing the facility by fifteen percent (15%). The incentive
is if the YMCA's revenue was higher than 15%, the YMCA could bank into
an operating surplus up to $500,000. Once they reached that amount, the
remainder amount would go into a capital improvement fund that the
County has for the community center only. The funds would be available
for major capital improvements and any facility expansions. She noted that
the facility had not been open for three years, and they had $500,000 in
their operating surplus and $700,000 in their capital. So Platte County
never had to subsidize those amounts. The contract also had an
administrative fee of eleven percent (11%). For this fee, the YMCA will
provide accounting, management of information services, human
resources, management, program innovation, and senior administrative
management expertise to operate the facilities.
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Ms. Steele stated that it is really good contract, but not the only one they
are going to look at. She noted that she included in the agenda packet
information of the Platte County Community Center.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel asked if the Platte County center was the one she
favored. Ms. Steele responded that it was probably one of their least
favorite ones.
Vice Chair Barnard communicated that Platte County and the YMCA were
really open with each other. They did their budgets together, regular
monthly meetings, and disclosed audits and financial information. He
noted that it was a good relationship befinreen Platte County and the
YMCA. There was never any hiding anything from anybody.
Commissioner Guyer clarified if Ms. Steele picked the Platte County
contract because it was the only one that had joint management contract.
Ms. Steele replied yes. She chose the contract to share with the
Commission because all the other centers they visited had city staff
running their facilities.
Ms. Steele noted that the agenda packet has more information on the
Platte County Community Center. Information is also provided on the disk.
Commissioner Guyer asked Ms. Steele if there is an increased ability to
recover costs as a result of having a joint partnership with someone else
running the facility. She replied no because everyone would probably say
that it is more expensive to contract operational services. However, Platte
County was a very small district that did not have many facilities or parks.
Platte County completed a master plan and survey, and determined what
their citizens wanted with a community center and parks rating high. Being
a small district, they did not desire nor have the experience in running a
facility such as this. They had no desire to take it on.
Commissioner Guyer asked if Platte County had the population. Ms.
Steele responded yes. Platte County did not mind taking care of the parks,
but were not interested in running the community center.
Commissioner Guyer inquired if the surplus was an addition to the
administrative fee. Ms. Steele answered yes. She explained the
administrative fee was part of their operational expenses.
Ms. Steele presented pictures of the community centers they visited
during their trip to Missouri for Facility Design School.
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Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel interjected that he had to leave to another
meeting. He commented that at the last City Council meeting, the Council
approved the $25,000 for the feasibility study. He noted that one of the
Councilmember's requested that the consultant talk to each
Councilmember. He also noted that Ms. Steele will be giving the disk to
the City Council, but they are not going to look at it. Mayor Pro Tem
Spiegel suggested having a study session showing the City Council the
pictures so they can see what is being done at othsr cities.
Commissioner Babcock asked how many swimming lanes is the City
thinking of building. Ms. Steele replied at least eight for competitive
swimming.
Commissioner Hall inquired if there is a standard for competitive pools.
Ms. Steele responded that all high school and colleges are 25 yards. The
long course meets and Olympics swim in a 50-meter pool.
Commissioner Hall also inquired about the number of lanes. Ms. Steele
answered that you could probably get by with six, but eight is the minimum
we are looking at.
Commissioner Babcock asked Ms. Steele if she is going to show all the
pictures to the City Council. She replied that she will be showing portions
of it, and in a more organized order.
Ms. Steele noted that she is showing the slides so that they can get ideas
from other community centers.
Commissioner Dash inquired about the areas in Missouri. Ms. Steele
replied that it is mostly suburban areas.
Vice Chair Barnard commented that all the community centers were fairly
close to each other. They were approximately within a 50 to 75 mile
radius.
Commissioner Babcock asked if there is a chance that the City will be
working with the YMCA. Ms. Steele responded yes. She stated that the
City has not chosen anyone, but there is a chance.
Commissioner Babcock asked what the Commission is selling to the City
Council. Ms. Steele answered an indoor community center with an aquatic
complex or components.
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Commissioner Babcock inquired about the location of the community
center and aquatic complex. Commissioner Schukart responded that the
location has not been determined.
Ms. Steele interjected that the consultants are working on a location. The
consultants were hired to look at and present a site plan and design,
preferably around the Civic Center Park area.
Commissioner Babcock voiced his concern about adding more buildings
to the park.
Vice Chair Barnard commented to Commissioner Babcock that he should
wait to see what the consultant comes back with.
Commissioner Housken clarified to Commissioner Babcock that there is
no plan to take anything from the park. She remembered discussion of
incorporating and redirecting some of the street (San Pablo).
Chairman Dawson asked Ms. Steele if she will be preparing a study
session presentation. She responded that it will not happen right away.
She explained that Staff is currently working on the site master plan. She
understood that Staff first has to go back to the City Council with site
options, costs for the site, and recommendation for one site.
Vice Chair Barnard stated that he understood Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel
wants the City Council to see the slide presentation to give them a vision
before giving them a site plan.
Ms. Steele stated that she will clarify with Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel on how
to proceed.
Commissioner Dash asked if the site recommendation will go to the
Commission before the City Council. Ms. Steele replied that Staff will bring
to the Commission first.
D. CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKS INSPECTORS WORK AREA
Mr. Niemczak communicated that after the Parks Maintenance workers
were reclassified to Parks Inspectors, Staff decided to look at their work
area so that they can get their job done. Staff had Prest Vuksic Architects
redesign the inspectors work area, and took it out to bid. The bid went to
the last City Council meeting, and was awarded to Simon Contracting of
Indio, California, with a bid price of $123,000. Staff hopes construction will
begin in about three weeks.
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Ms. Steele interjected that the bid price was under budget. Staff had
$340,000 budgeted; however, the price does not include furniture. With
the new remodel of the inspectors work area, they hope to keep rodents
out, and have air conditioning installed.
Commissioner Housken inquired where the Parks Inspectors area is
located. Ms. Steele responded that it is located behind the Palm Desert
Community Center.
E. I-10 BICYCLE PATH
Mr. Niemczak stated that the I-10 bicycle path is an informational item to
keep the Commission updated. He stated that City Staff interviewed
consultants to select one who will be hired to perform a feasibility study for
the area from Washington Avenue to Aqua Caliente Casino (includes
Freedom Park and railroad area). Staff looked at proposals and evaluated
them according to qualifications of the firm, management approach,
technical approach, and completeness of proposal. Staff agreed on the
qualifications from a firm named R, R, and Design Group of San
Clemente. Staff is currently contacting the firm's references, getting
approval, and a formal quote.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel asked if this is the bike path where the City has a
grant. Ms. Steele replied yes.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel inquired if there is going to be way to get across
Monterey. Ms. Steele responded that would be part of the feasibility study.
They will also be looking at easements, and determine what the City is
going to need to do to make it work.
Mr. Niemczak mentioned that the firm is very experienced in bicycle paths
and easements.
Chairman Dawson inquired if the firm is going to assume that Portola is an
I-10 connection. Ms. Steele responded that she believes so.
Mr. Niemczak communicated that the biggest obstacle will be working with
the railroad company and private land owners.
Commissioner Babcock asked if this is the same trail that the mayor of
Rancho Mirage did not know anything about, and the same trail that will
go through Rancho Mirage. Ms. Steele responded that the firm who will be
performing the feasibility study will include the City of Rancho Mirage in
the discussions.
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Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel noted that the area in Rancho Mirage is a very
small piece.
Commissioner Babcock commented that if it works, he would like to see
the bike path go the other direction as well. Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel
responded that if Palm Desert gets it started other cities may join the plan.
Mr. Niemczak stated that the feasibility study will also suggest alternate
routes, if unable to get easements.
Commissioner Guyer mentioned that the firm should also look at a
combined trail; a trail that is paved and off road. Mr. Niemczak responded
that he will let the Public Works Department know.
Commissioner Dash inquired if there has been any additional information
on being designated a Bicycle Friendly City. Ms. Steele answered that she
will bring additional information to the next meeting.
Commissioner Guyer commented that in the weekend USA Weekend
magazine there was an article on the Bicycle Friendly Cities Association,
and listed the top ten cities in the nation.
F. PALM DESERT SPAY & NEUTERNACCINATION CLINIC
Ms. Steele stated that the Riverside County Department of Animal
Services is planning a vaccination clinic for Saturday, October 18, 2008,
from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m., at the Palm Desert Middle School. The
County is also planning on offering spay and neutering services.
Information will be in the City's Brightside and posted at the City's dog
parks.
Mayor Pro Tem Spiegel clarified if the clinic is going to be at the Middle
School. Ms. Steele responded that originally the County wanted to have
the clinic in the Civic Center Park, but they chose a date that is set in
stone. They chose a date when the Heart Walk is scheduled; therefore, it
was decided to have the clinic at the Middle School. In addition, the
playground may be finished and could be showcased.
Commissioner Babcock asked if they will have licensing. Ms. Steele
responded yes. She believes they will have licensing and micro chipping.
She also noted that pricing will be reasonable.
Commissioner Munson inquired if it is too late to add the information to the
Brightside. Ms. Steele answered that it is not too late, and believes Staff
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was getting information to the Staff person that handles the articles in the
Brightside.
Commissioner Guyer asked if the clinic is for Palm Desert residents only.
Ms. Steele replied no.
Chairman Dawson returned to Item C, Community Center Update.
IX. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
X. ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion by Vice Chair Barnard, seconded by Commissioner Guyer,
the meeting was adjourned at 10:40 a.m.
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Monica Loredo, Recording Secretary
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