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CITY OF PALM DESERT
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I. CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Dawson convened the meeting at 8:30 a.m.
II. ROLL CALL
Present: Absent:
Chairman Gerald Dawson Commissioner Julie Munson
Vice Chair Michael Barnard
Commissioner Phill Babcock
Commissioner Roger Dash
Commissioner Randy Guyer
Commissioner Deborah Hall
Commissioner Kim Housken
Commissioner Terry Schukart
Staff Present:
Bob Spiegel, Mayor
Homer Croy, ACM for Development Services
Janis Steele, Parks & Recreation Services Manager
Jay Niemczak, Parks Facilities Manager
Ryan Stendell, Senior Management Analyst
Monica Loredo, Administrative Secretary
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III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES - None
IV. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Mayor Spiegel presented the Commissioners with a gift for their time and
dedication to the Parks and Recreation Commission. The Commission
thanked Mayor Spiegel and the City Council.
Mr. Ford, Desert Recreation District, communicated that they received an
award of excellence from California Park and Recreation Society for their
catalog.
The Commission congratulated the District, and Commissioner Hall added
that it is a beautiful catalog.
V. PRESENTATIONS
A. DESERT RECREATION DISTRICT
Ms. Steele introduced Ms. Tatiana Hinkle who provided a presentation on
the District's new branding initiative.
Ms. Hinkle presented their new branding effort. A copy of the Power Point
presentation was provided to the Commission. She explained that a
survey was completed and a new name was developed. Their new identity
will be marketed, and they hope to build stronger partnerships with the
community and organizations. Other items mentioned were thinking and
acting "greener," fundraising to assist their community residents,
professional discovery series training, an e-newsletter, and ideas for one
stop recreation information.
Commissioner Babcock asked Ms. Hinkle what the District can do for the
City that the City cannot do. She responded that the District hopes to
partner with the City and add to what the City already has and not
duplicate services. She also stressed better communication, and
partnering more strategically for a better outcome at the end.
Commissioner Guyer inquired about the professional discovery series
training. It was mentioned including all recreation organizations. He asked
what the other recreation organizations are. Ms. Hinkle replied other
organizations that provide recreation services such as cities, Boys and
Girls Clubs, or anybody that provides recreation services in the valley.
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Mr. Ford added that part of their master plan they had focus groups such
as AYSO and Little League. He explained that since the District is a little
larger organization they can provide training valley-wide.
Commissioner Guyer asked if valley-wide training is being done at this
time. Mr. Ford answered no, and that some cities might be doing their
own.
Commissioner Hall commented that the mascot for the Children's Museum
is Sunny, which looks similar to one of the mascot's presented by the
District. She suggested that the District look into what they have before
moving forward. Ms. Hinkle responded that there has not been a decision
on the mascot, and that they would take a look at it.
Commissioner Housken stated that she likes the idea of the one stop
recreation information since it was an item that the Commission has
mentioned before. She communicated that she does not really know how
successful or what is working with programming for residents in the City of
Palm Desert, and that is something that she would like to know. For
example, she would like to know how many people attend an aerobics
class or how many people are attending the boot camp in the park.
Commissioner Housken stated that for her, seeing numbers is something
that she would like to have. She asked Ms. Hinkle if that is something the
District can do. Ms. Hinkle responded that it could be included in the e-
newsletter. She stated that the District welcomes requests for information.
She noted that the District wants to build a stronger partnership, and to
please call them if they need information for a meeting.
Commissioner Housken indicated that ultimately she would like to know
the results. Did the program work? Was the program successful?
Ms. Hinkle commented that there are trends in recreation. There might be
programs that worked five years ago, and now no longer do.
Commissioner Housken stated that information compared from a previous
year would also be helpful.
Ms. Hinkle noted that if the Commission has something that they want to
see in the e-newsletter, to let the District know.
Vice Chair Barnard asked how the District is going to measure the
effectiveness of programs. Ms. Hinkle responded that the District has a
computer system that tracks all of the members and sign ups. The
program provides a very comprehensive report.
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Vice Chair Barnard inquired if the District is going to create some
benchmarks where they are today and where they are in six months or a
year. Ms. Hinkle replies that the District has historical data for a few years
back. It is a matter of compiling the information.
Mr. Ford stated that North Star (consultant that performed branding
survey), as part of their contract, will come in two years from now and do
another survey.
Vice Chair Barnard asked for the name of the company. Mr. Ford replied
North Star Destination Strategies.
Vice Chair Barnard inquired how much was the Districts budget. He
commented that it cannot be cheap to hire a branding company, and have
to do signage, logos, letterhead, etc. Mr. Ford responded that the contract
with North Star was $80,000, and the District has not yet budgeted for the
marketing. The District is going to discuss it during their budget process,
and figure out how they are going to be able to afford it because they will
not be able to do it all at once. The board is going to have to make a
decision of when they would like to move forward.
Commissioner Schukart commented that in the past the Commission has
discussed raw data district wide. He recollected that the Commission has
been interested in how the District pulls out participant information as to
what city they live in, and it seems that it has been difficult to massage out
the numbers from the District's computer base. Mr. Ford responded that
approximately two years ago, the District purchased software called Rec
Track. The software can capture the people that come into the building
because they must scan their card. With activities like the concerts that
might have 3,000 people; they do not know where the people are coming
from. There might be some things that the District would not be able to
capture.
Mayor Spiegel noted that the presentation was good and thanked Ms.
Hinkle.
VI. NEW BUSINESS
A. COMMUNITY/AQUATIC CENTER STUDY SESSION
Discussion and recommendation based on the City Council's
direction from the December 11, 2008, Study Session.
Chairman Dawson stated that the City Council and the Commission met
last week to listen and view the presentation by gkkworks. The
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Commission must discuss what they learned, and make a decision on
what, if anything, the Commission wants to send to the City Council.
Mayor Spiegel commented that he did not get any feeling from anybody so
he cannot really say plus or minus or anything else. He did take
Commissioner Schukart's idea to the Council, and told them what they are
going to do. They are going to phase in the project. His recommendation
would be to make a decision regarding where to put the center. They
know how many square feet is going to be needed. The Commission will
need to take back to the Council where the site for the center will be
located, and then go from there.
Chairman Dawson asked the Commission if they had any objections to
that approach.
Commissioner Guyer stated Mayor Spiegel said, ". . . where you want to
put it," and asked if "where" is in the Civic Center Park. Mayor Spiegel
clarified that he was talking about anywhere in the City of Palm Desert, but
not to put it in the City of Indian Wells.
Ms. Steele noted that she has the presentation and drawings available if
the Commission would like to review them.
Chairman Dawson asked the Commission if they had any questions about
the presentation.
Commissioner Schukart stated that gkkworks was directed to look at two
sites. He asked the Commission if they received anything from the City
Council that they want gkkworks to look at one or two other options
besides the two that were studied. He asked Mayor Spiegel if other sites
are on the table. He replied that it could be on the table.
Mayor Spiegel stated that the City Council could always reject the sites
the Commission chooses too, which would mean going back to the
drawing board.
Vice Chair Barnard commented that it is hard to recommend anything
because they have not really looked at another site. They have only really
looked at the two options at the Civic Center.
Commissioner Guyer stated that maybe what they need to think about is if
either of the two sites that are being considered would be adequate.
Chairman Dawson inquired in what time period.
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Commissioner Guyer asked Chairman Dawson if that was a question or
statement. He replied it was a question.
Commissioner Guyer stated that if either one of the sites would be
adequate for what they are trying to accomplish as the City grows.
Commissioner Housken clarified that at this point in time, is it adequate?
She stated that the fear is that there is not enough room to expand, but
there is certainly a lot of land to the north where maybe a second site
could be used. She understands that the only big negative with the
location at the Civic Center is no real room to grow.
Commissioner Guyer noted that as it gets busier and busier there will be
no room to grow.
Mayor Spiegel mentioned considering the college. They have 200 acres
out there, and there always could be a possibility of an additional facility
years from now on the campus.
Commissioner Guyer stated that he personally thinks that the aquatic
component is essential for the Civic Center Park, for the City, and for the
College of the Desert (COD). That makes sense to him. The activity center
as it started to materialize; he kept pushing it to the back of his mind. He
always felt the aquatic center is what they needed; it fit and it worked with
COD. Now they are trying to throw something else on top of it. He added
that it now makes the aquatic component smaller. He stated that the more
he thought about it; then when he saw the $28 and $31 million, his thought
process was once they spend $31 million to have an activity center and an
aquatic component, where are they going to justify another $30 million for
another activity center somewhere else. When he got to that point, he
went back to the idea of having a municipal aquatic center that was first
rate that could be shared with COD and fit at COD, then look elsewhere
for a large activity center that could take care of the whole City as it grew.
He noted that the City is now at 40,000 or 50,000 people, and probably
will be 70,000 or 75,000 by the time it is built. He does not see 75,000
people fitting in the activity center that was presented the other day. He
stated that he hates going down this road again because he has done it
before. He feels the best fit for the Civic Center Park is a good municipal
aquatic center, and find another location for a really good municipal
activity center that might have an aquatic component to it because of the
activities that want to be offered.
Chairman Dawson commented that he has heard that sentiment from
several Commissioners. He asked what other thoughts are out there.
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Commissioner Hall mentioned that when she heard $30 million and
possibly $32 million, and noted that she was unable to attend the meeting,
she was under the impression that the Commission was looking for
something the would cost approximately $20 million. She stated that to go
$30 or $32 million, she cannot justify that amount in her mind. She thinks it
is a good idea to start with an aquatic center at the Civic Center, then
moving forward from there. She commented that if she remembers
correctly, an aquatic center would cost approximately $8 million.
Ms. Steele communicated that $8 million would not get you an aquatic
center like what they are talking about. An aquatic center that they are
talking about is going to cost $14 to $15 million minimum. She clarified
that gkkworks gave the worst case scenario. They wanted to provide the
City Council with a true picture of what it could really cost the City. She
mentioned that $2.1 million was for moving the skate park. Staff does not
believe that it would ever cost that amount. She stated that in the current
economy, the center may be built at $4 or $5 million less. If you wait five to
six years, it will cost $30 million. She noted that some costs involved are
in the LEED certification, green sustainability, and solar panels that the
City would want to do to keep the building in a Silver LEED Certification.
Mayor Spiegel commented the cost of building the center down the road is
not a big problem because Redevelopment dollars would be used to build
it. He noted that Redevelopment dollars come in every year for the City,
and it is not General Fund dollars. He stated that running the facility is
General Fund dollars. Mayor Spiegel stated that what the Commission
needs to consider is how much it is going to cost to run it, can the City
break even, how is it going to be done in conjunction with COD, is COD
going to participate in the cost of running the facility, and a lot of other
things like that. But as far as $30 million that is a lot of money, fortunately
the City has the money to build it over the years.
Vice Chair Barnard indicated that he spoke to the construction manager
after the Study Session, and he also said that the figure was a pretty
generous figure. He explained that the construction manager had an
escalation figure built in, which he does not see happening. He stated that
he is also concerned with squeezing something into a small piece of
property, and not build what they want. He thinks the building has
everything that the Commission asked for the last couple of years. The
aquatic portion is smaller than what they had planned a couple of years
ago. The pool is the same size, but they do not have the separate little
kid's pool and the big lazy river that the City Council didn't really want. He
noted that the Commission came back with is identical to what Ms. Steele
and he saw when they toured the community centers in the Midwest for
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towns of 10,000 to 50,000 people. His concern with having the facility at
the Civic Center is the parking. The parking study was done, but he still
had some reservations when the consultant mentioned that the peak time
was 3:00 p.m. during a weekday. The consultant did not come back to do
a study in the evening.
Chairman Dawson noted that the revised page for parking in the
presentation shows the 50-meter pool eliminating about 53 parking
spaces.
Commissioner Housken asked for clarification from Ms. Steele. She
thought initially there was going to be an indoor and outdoor pool. But then
she saw in the diagrams a competition pool and a leisure pool. The leisure
pool looks like it is inside the building. She noted that she understands it
was a massing plan, and it may not necessarily be there. She asked if the
plans show the pool inside. Ms. Steele explained that in the drawings it is
there to show you two things. It can be inside or outside. She believes that
the Council has requested that it be outside, but if you keep it close to the
building you can somewhat shelter it with a trellis so during the winter you
can keep the pool warmer or block some of the sun in the summer. She
noted that an outdoor pool was considered in the cost.
Ms. Steele also clarified that the pool in the original picture is 25 yards by
35 meters. The 35 meters was to accommodate water polo and a diving
well. The 25 yards is where people would swim their meets, which is
competition length. She noted that 50 meters is used for long course
competition, which the Olympics are run at.
Commissioner Housken mentioned that she heard Councilman Ferguson
comment during his Barcelona presentation that the facility in Barcelona
had everything that the Council wanted; an outdoor element and an indoor
element.
Mayor Spiegel interjected that Councilman Ferguson did not speak for the
City Council. He noted that Councilman Ferguson's objective is to have an
Olympic size pool with diving boards. He believes that majority of the City
Council do not want diving boards and an Olympic size pool.
Mr. Ballew, Family YMCA of the Desert, noted that he did hear
Councilman Ferguson say that he is in a position now to accept his
colleague's decision on what that pool should be, and he thought that was
pretty significant.
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Vice Chair Barnard stated that one of his other concerns is building an
aquatic center by itself. He is not an expert, but from what he has heard
from Staff is that an aquatic center is a lot more successful when there is
another component with it.
Mayor Spiegel commented that they all went on tours and saw what other
places look like.
Vice Chair Barnard added that what they also saw were other cities that
built aquatic centers, and later realized that they needed to come back
and build an indoor recreational component.
Mayor Spiegel noted that Coronado was a sample of that.
Vice Chair Barnard noted that the City now has COD's participation. He is
not sure if they can commit to anything, but they are having discussions
with the City.
Commissioner Schukart informed the Commission that the COD President
is waiting to see what it is that the City is really going to show up with, and
that would give evidence to him whether or not or to what extent COD
would partner with the City.
Mayor Spiegel interjected that it also depends on how much time COD
wants. There are a lot of things to consider.
Ms. Steele stated that after meeting with COD, as far as the pool
standpoint, nothing has changed. COD would still share the pool in the
morning, and it would still be available for the public. The only question
would be the gym and how much they would want to participate. She
noted that COD understands that in a shared facility, whoever is managing
it is the person in charge of the schedule.
Commissioner Schukart commented that was one of the discussions.
Down the road, COD is going to have bond money for a new gymnasium
at some point. One of the questions or ideas that was floating, you look at
the footprint from gkkworks, if there is what would be termed on most
complexes an auxiliary gymnasium in addition to what they have drawn.
That would be paid for by COD and maintained by COD. He stated that is
something he has not brought up because they have enough problems
dealing with what is on the table let alone adding another mask to it;
particularly when it comes to Commissioner Guyer's comments.
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Commissioner Schukart communicated that the COD is going to grow.
The YMCA, the Desert Recreation District, use of the park, the Street Fair,
and the Golf Center is also going to grow. He stated that it is going to be
interesting managing the entry and exit to the Civic Center area. He
mentioned that if you look at a helicopter view of the area; there is a lot of
action. He added that there is going to be a new fire and police academy
at the end of Magnesia Falls and San Pablo. He stated that today it would
work, but five or ten years from now it may not. So that is something that
needs to be considered.
Commissioner Guyer stated that another question that he had, as a
councilmember, if a resident came to you and said why is the City building
an activity center next to two buildings that are activity centers, how would
you answer that? Mayor Spiegel responded that he did not know.
Commissioner Guyer stated that he would not know either.
Mayor Spiegel commented that he always thought that the two buildings
would become one and that's where they would go, but that is just him. He
agreed with what Commissioner Guyer said. If you talk to the YMCA and
the Desert Recreation District, they would tell you that we can do our own
business even with this facility.
Commissioner Guyer inquired if with the growth of the YMCA and the
Desert Recreation District requires expanding the buildings at some point.
Mayor Spiegel answered that according to the agreement with the YMCA
they should be three times bigger than it is now.
Mayor Spiegel communicated that it gets very complicated. The most
complicated thing is where you are going to put the facility. Once the
Commission makes a recommendation to the City Council, the Council is
going to decide if it is okay or not. He noted that the Commission does not
have to make a decision today.
Commissioner Guyer commented that the other dilemma is that the
Commission knows that the residents want an aquatic and community
center.
Commissioner Schukart stated that even if the Commission deliberated
and decided, in fact, that this over time is going to be too small of an area
for such a facility, and the Commission decided to fly to the north and drop
the facility in the north sphere; the cost of construction will not be more
than what it is at the Civic Center. gkkworks is configuring construction
around limiting factors. To the north, it would not be a problem.
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Mr. Croy commented that one of things that the Commission must keep in
mind is that the City is at a point on deciding what to do. He noted that
they have not talked finance, partnerships, and they have not talked about
sharing costs with partners. That is the next phase they need to move to.
He hopes that the Commission does not make a rash decision on one
meeting. He noted that they are working on this in phases. He suggested
moving on and considering talking to partnerships, operational costs,
shared costs with COD, and possibly other districts who might want to
participate. They do not know that yet because they have not broached
out to that level yet of this discussion of this project. He noted that they are
still in the conceptual stages. He stated that he wants the Commission to
remember that as they further discuss the facility.
Commissioner Guyer mentioned that not considering the cost; his thought
process kept bringing him back to creating a good municipal aquatic
center at the Civic Center Park site that can be used by COD, then figure
out how to get the activity component into the City. He stated that he is not
even considering the costs, which is the point that he is trying to make. He
feels that they are sacrificing a little bit of the aquatic component to build
both at the same time. He questions if the Commission should do that
because they should have a good aquatic center in the City. He feels the
aquatic center would be over utilized once it is built.
Chairman Dawson asked Commissioner Dash if he had any thoughts.
Commissioner Dash stated that he does have thoughts. He communicated
that he agreed with Commissioner Guyer's comments in terms of the total
space and the crowding as not being the most appropriate place for the
community center. He indicated, as he has mentioned before, if it were
going be helpful to COD then he could change his thinking because he
supports the college. He is concerned with the crowding at the Civic
Center Park. He stated that it is a beautiful park now, and that there is
going to be growth. He stated that the Commission should really think
about the freedom that an architect would have in having space, to come
in and build something for the City as oppose to tagging it onto something
else. In addition, try to avoid the tearing down of a building or adding onto
a building. He stated that it is a conglomerate of bringing all these
activities centralized into the Civic Center area. He stated that it is
conceivable that everybody could have something going at the same time,
and it is going to end up being a very disturbing thing. But if he could be
convinced that it would be a tremendous asset to COD, which he does not
see, it seems that COD would not even want the City nearby.
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Commissioner Guyer asked Commissioner Dash if he is referring to the
entire project and not the aquatic component. Commissioner Dash replied
yes.
Mayor Spiegel asked Ms. Steele if she sees a facility working where you
separate the aquatic component from the fitness center to a different
location. Ms. Steele responded that after the tours to other facilities and
talking to the people there, they will tell you that without an aquatic
component to a community center they are not as successful. She then
stated that an aquatic center can sustain itself with the right features. She
stated that you are then back to where the Commission started three and
half years ago.
Commissioner Guyer commented that he agreed, and hated bringing it up.
He asked himself where they are going to have a good municipal aquatic
center that people can use to not just swim laps but to go and play and
have birthday parties. He feels they are missing something if they do not
do that.
Commissioner Babcock voiced his concern with the size of the facility and
growth of the City.
Mayor Spiegel commented that he now has a meeting every Tuesday at
9:30 a.m. He excused himself from the meeting.
Commissioner Guyer stated that Ms. Steele commented to him of other
cities that have been in the same predicament, and they found as they
grew, they added another center that sufficed the population. He noted
that is something they might be looking at. He stated that they would
basically be building a community center for the Civic Center
neighborhood. Later, when there are another 7,000 homes built in the
north sphere; another activity center can be built in the north.
Vice Chair Barnard communicated that he does not feel that what is built
at the Civic Center would be too small. Based on what they saw, some of
the buildings were the same size and had 4,000 members. That is ten
percent (10%) of Palm Desert's population.
Commissioner Guyer agreed with Vice Chair Barnard. His question is why
build an activity center next to two activity centers in the park that are
basically going to be competing, and then not have an aquatic center that
could accommodate a meet with 1,000 people.
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Ms. Steele commented in regards to the other facilities in the park. She
stated that they would work together so as not to compete. She noted that
the YMCA does some things really, really well. They do a lot of children's
programs out of that building. Do they need to run those programs out of
the other building? She did not think so. The City would talk to them
because they (YMCA and District) would be using the facility, and they
would make sure that they are not competing against each other.
Commissioner Guyer noted that he did not mean competing with
programs but for space. He stated that he could see the letter being
written to the editor saying, ". . . why are they spending money to build a
building right next to two buildings?"
Mr. Ballew commented that a needs assessment was done for both the
buildings, and nothing has changed. You just add another 10,000 people
since the assessment was done. He stated the City should just do
something.
Commissioner Guyer asked Mr. Ballew if he considers their building being
over utilized at this point. Mr. Ballew responded that programmatically they
still have some available hours, but for administration it is busting at the
seams. For that reason, they would prefer to stay there. They work all of
their operations from the YMCA on San Pablo.
Mr. DeWitt commented that studies show that most of the people that
come into community centers, eighty percent (80%) that are utilizing them
come from within three miles. So no matter how big you build it and no
matter what you put there, you will have 80% of those persons coming
from a three-mile circle.
Commissioner Dash noted another consideration. The Commission is
talking about two major entities; the City and COD. He communicated that
as he is listening to the conversation, there is going to be a greater
involvement between the two entities. You are talking about money
coming in from one to another, which is not going to work in the years to
come. There are going to be scheduling problems and management
problems. He noted that those involved get along now, but you do not
know who is going to be president or Board of Directors years from now.
He felt that the burden was going to be on the City. The City was going to
provide everything, and the City was going to be assisting COD. He now is
hearing a combined effort whether it is money or power. Commissioner
Dash asked Commissioner Schukart if COD has a bigger role now than
originally.
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Commissioner Schukart replied not really. He stated that initial
conversations have always been that they are next to each other and they
are on adjacent properties. He explained that whenever one of the two
does something, there is a benefit in talking to the other partner and letting
them know what they are thinking and asking the other what they think. Do
you want to be involved, is it going to be helpful to you or not? He
explained that is the conversation right now. There is no commitment one
way or the other. But he thinks what the Board of Directors are saying is if
there is something that can benefit COD students, they will take a look at
that and see what assistance they may be able to provide if is going to
impact a fair amount of students. Ideas have only been thrown around. As
far as a shared project, it has never been a consideration.
Commissioner Guyer clarified shared usage and not shared development.
Mr. Croy reminded the Commission that the City owes the YMCA 10,000
square feet, which has been delineated behind their building. He stated
that the City has to build the expansion or something for them to use to
help them out with their overuse.
Chairman Dawson asked if that is a long standing contractual agreement.
Mr. Croy replied yes.
Mr. Croy noted that the Desert Recreation District was built at a time of its
need, and there was no need for further expansion. There is a difference
between the two agreements.
Chairman Dawson commented that in the absence of a motion, the
Commission could bring it up at the next meeting.
Commissioner Schukart asked what happens next. Ms. Steele responded
that she thinks what the City Council is looking for from the Commission is
a recommendation on a site.
Commissioner Schukart stated that he was a little disappointed with the
Study Session. He thought the Study Session would find conversation
between the City Council and the Commission. He noted that a few years
ago the Commission had their discussion, and the City Council had their
own discussion; they make a ruling and the Commission says "what?" He
feels the same thing coming. Commissioner Schukart stated that he is just
as guilty as the next person because he did not stand and say, hello! He
thought that is what study sessions are for.
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Mr. Tanner commented that there was not enough time. He noted that
they scheduled the Study Session right before a 3:00 p.m. City Council
meeting. So you are limited to an hour and the presentation was 40
minutes.
Commissioner Guyer stated that he is not interested in what the City
Council wants to do. He is interested in what the citizens would like to
have, and making that recommendation; then let them decide.
Commissioner Schukart voiced that his point is having them listen to what
the Commission is discussing today. That is going to expand their
thinking.
Commissioner Housken mentioned that she did not feel like she received
any type of direction from the Study Session. There was dead silence.
Ms. Steele interjected that there was no direction from this Study Session.
She keeps going back to their strategic planning goals because that's
where they received direction.
Commissioner Guyer inquired if the Commission needs to make a motion
today or wait. Chairman Dawson responded that if he wants to make a
motion, and someone seconds it; they can have discussion on it.
Commissioner Guyer stated that he is not making a motion.
Mr. Tanner commented that one of the things they need to look at from the
City's standpoint is do we have an immediate need or do we have a 10-
year future need? He communicated that the way the economy is trending
now; you are not going to have the north sphere open for an opportunity
for a community center anytime within the next five to seven years. He
asked the Commission if they want an immediate fix. If so, it needs to be
done now. He reminded the Commission of the type of time frame they
are on. The Commission has been talking about this for the last seven to
eight years. He asked what has been done, nothing. So maybe that is
another consideration, selecting a site. There is the north sphere site and
there is the Civic Center site. If the Commission agrees on the Civic
Center site, the Commission could move forward.
Mr. Croy summarized that there was a Study Session with the City Council
and the Commission. The whole point of the Study Session was to study
the project and not to make a decision. He stated that the City Council is
waiting for the Commission's recommendation for the next step.
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Commissioner Housken asked if the Commission waits, what is going to
be different between now and the first meeting in January.
Chairman Dawson stated nothing would be different.
Commissioner Housken moved to recommend the New Building:
Scheme B on San Pablo for a pool and recreation center that was
presented by gkkworks. Vice Chair Barnard seconded the motion,
and carried by a 5-3 vote with Commissioners Dash, Hall, and
Babcock voting NO.
Commissioner Guyer addressed Ms. Steele and mentioned that if the City
Council asks for clarification, if Staff could press upon them the fact that
the Commission is torn in all kinds of different directions. Maybe the
Commission should receive more input from the City Council so that they
do not have to be torn any many different directions.
Vice Chair Barnard inquired if the City Council receives a copy of the
minutes.
Commissioner Housken suggested the people that are most involved with
the pool may want to write a letter to the City Council with their
recommendation and explaining their concerns.
Ms. Steele indicated that if Staff takes the recommendation forward, she
can provide a copy of the minutes.
Commissioner Babcock asked if there could be a meeting to discuss the
aquatic and recreation center at a different time. Chairman Dawson
responded that there will be several meetings.
VII. UNFINISHED BUSINESS - None
VIII. REPORTS AND UPDATES
A. IRONWOOD PARK PLAYGROUND
Mr. Niemczak reported that the City Council approved the replacement of
the playground at Ironwood Park. New installation would begin after
January 4. The project should take about three weeks to complete. He
displayed pictures of the playground, and noted there will be a shade
structure. He also noted that a sandbox requested by neighbors would be
included that is not in the picture.
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Commissioner Guyer inquired if the shade structure covers all three
playground pieces. Mr. Niemczak answered that it covers the entire
playground area.
Commissioner Babcock asked what the lifespan on the wood chips is. Mr.
Niemczak replied there is no lifespan. He explained that the wood chips
are topped off every one or two years. They do not need to be removed.
B. DESERT RECREATION DISTRICT NEW FITNESS PROGRAMS
Ms. Steele reported that she provided the Commission with information on
new fitness programs being offered by the Desert Recreation District. The
programs will begin in January 2009. She briefly listed some of the
programs.
C. NEWS ARTICLES
Chairman Dawson commented that if the Commission finds news articles
that City Staff has not seen, please give to them to Staff so that everyone
could see them.
Ms. Steele thanked everyone from the Commission that was able to
attend the University Park opening. The dog park has been a huge
success, and has received a lot of use over the weekend. She noted that
there was a lot of TV coverage, and there was a professional
photographer that took pictures. She would share the pictures with the
Commission when she receives them.
Chairman Dawson thanked Ms. Steele and Staff for all the work done for
the grand opening.
Commissioner Guyer commented that as part of Chairman Dawson's
speech, he noted that University Park was the 17th park in the City of Palm
Desert of 45,000 people. He stated that is pretty amazing for Palm Desert.
Commissioner Guyer noted that there are articles regarding the Bump and
Grind, and asked Staff if they are still receiving calls about it. Ms. Steele
replied that she has not, and believes that people are now just writing to
the paper. She mentioned that maybe they are calling Rancho Mirage.
IX. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS
Chairman Dawson remarked to the Commission to return park inspection
sheets. The next report will be provided at the next meeting in January.
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Commissioner Guyer commented that he attended the last City Council
meeting, and learned that funding was lost for the bike path.
Ms. Steele interjected that only some of it was lost.
Commissioner Guyer stated that the Council voted on some other funding
in place of it. He asked Staff to explain.
Mr. Stendell explained that CVAG pulled a little of the funding from the
bike lane along the railroad. He stated that Mr. Greenwood, Director of
Public Works, was able to redirect funds that were from CMAQ grant
funds to the bike path project.
Commissioner Guyer indicated that he believes that Councilman Ferguson
had an issue with the redirection of funds. Mr. Stendell responded that he
believes Councilman Ferguson thought there was a better use of the
funds, such as transportation (cars). Mr. Greenwood explained to Council
that the grant funds were not allocated to a specific project and those
funds would be lost if not used. There were no traffic projects that needed
the funds so the funds were allocated to the bike path.
Commissioner Guyer reaffirmed that the bike lane project is still moving
forward. Mr. Stendell replied that they are in the middle of a feasibility
study.
Commissioner Guyer requested a timetable of the bike lane project. Ms.
Steele responded that they will bring a timetable to the next meeting.
Commissioner Babcock noted that he is part of the Riverside
County/CVAG group that has met before. They have not met since the
guy in charge has been out, and is hoping that at the first of the year they
meet again.
Commissioner Housken commented that for Arbor Day they are planning
a garden tour on Palm Sunday with the Horticultural Society. The City's
Arbor Day celebration at Civic Center Park is scheduled for Saturday, April
11, 2009. The celebration will be open to residents of all ages. The
committee hopes to have a movie that same week in the park on
Thursday. On Earth Day, they plan on planting a tree at Ronald Reagan
Elementary School, which will only be for the kids at school. The Living
Desert will have a celebration on April 25. She mentioned that the
committee is thinking of a name that encapsulates the whole month.
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Ms. Steele announced that on January 13, 2009, between 10:30 a.m. and
1:30 p.m. there is going to be a drop-in open house at the Parks
Inspectors office.
Chairman Dawson commented that Haystack is used by kids off and on,
but it is not officially a park. He asked if the City can make it an official
park and utilize it for passive recreation. He wondered about installing
workout stations.
Commissioner Guyer asked the District if the stations they have get used
a lot. Ms. Adair replied yes.
Ms. Steele stated that she would need to check into it since Haystack is a
Landscape and Lighting District area. She noted that she would bring back
additional information.
Ms. Steele mentioned, although most may already know, Mr. Ortega
announced his resignation.
X. ADJOURNMENT
Upon motion by Commissioner Schukart, seconded by Commissioner
Hall, the meeting was adjourned at 10:03 a.m.
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Monica Loredo, Recording Secretary
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